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Child protection and pre-proceedings

Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:47 pm
by AnonDC
Good Afternoon is a Child Protection plan and Pre-proceedings the same thing?

Thanks

Re: Child protection and pre-proceedings

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:06 pm
by Questionstoask
No.
Pre proceedings is before they actually take you to court.
They'll be things expected of you and if they feel satisfied they won't take the matter to court

Re: Child protection and pre-proceedings

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2022 9:13 am
by Suzie, FRG Adviser
Dear AnonDC

Thank you for your post. My name is Suzie, I am an online adviser and will be responding to your post today.

Child Protection Plan and Pre-proceedings are not the same thing.

A Child Protection Plan is a general term and refers to the actions and procedure put in place by children’s services to keep children safe from harm. It includes measures both for preventing and responding to abuse and neglect. Sometimes it is called a safeguarding plan. I have added a link HERE which provides information regarding child protection enquiries. I have further added a link HERE which provides information regarding child protection plans. I hope you find both helpful.

Pre- proceedings refer to the procedures children’s services must follow if they are thinking about starting care proceedings . These procedures are set in the Public Law Outline (often referred to as the ‘PLO’). This is the legal framework which sets out the duties that children’s services have and the processes they must follow when they are thinking about taking a case to court.

The first step children’s services should take is to send a letter before proceedings to the parents (and anyone else who has parental responsibility). This letter will invite them to a ‘pre-proceedings meeting’ . Social workers and solicitors sometimes call this a ‘PLO meeting’.

The pre-proceedings process is a chance for parents and children’s services to work together. The aim is to get to a point where children’s services are satisfied that the parents can care for their child safely. If the concerns are around the child or young person being beyond parental control, then the process will focus on how to ensure their safety.

During the pre-proceedings process, the parents will be assessed (for example through a parenting assessment, if that hasn’t already happened). This should also be an opportunity for children’s services to put in place support for the family, where needed. I have added a link HERE which has further guidance and information. On this page you will find:

• What the law says about pre-proceedings
• How the pre-proceedings process begins and letters before proceedings
• Pre-proceedings meetings
• Reviewing progress during pre-proceedings

I hope this is helpful. Please post back or call our freephone advice line if you have any further queries about children’s services' involvement. The number is 0808 8010366 and the opening hours are Mon to Fri, 9.30 am to 3.00 pm

Best wishes, Suzie

Re: Child protection and pre-proceedings

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:42 pm
by 1984mummy
Hi what happens if one parent will not do the working together agreement I'm following mine but my bf refuses to as doesn't think it's nessesary. Which it isn't but I've done fighting them on this and just want them to stop pestering us. My boyfriend doesn't live with me and our daughter.

Re: Child protection and pre-proceedings

Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2024 1:24 pm
by Skysie98
If your boyfriend is not willing to work with them then unfortunately you risk losing your child.

He may not live with your child but hrs involved in their live and if there a risks posed by him or you and his relationship ot whatever it is. If he doesn't engage then that puts you at risk of them taking the next step.
Sorry if not the awnser your looking for.

Re: Child protection and pre-proceedings

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:59 pm
by Suzie, FRG Adviser
1984mummy wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 12:42 pm Hi what happens if one parent will not do the working together agreement I'm following mine but my bf refuses to as doesn't think it's nessesary. Which it isn't but I've done fighting them on this and just want them to stop pestering us. My boyfriend doesn't live with me and our daughter.
Dear 1984mummy

Welcome to the parents’ discussion board. Thank you for your post. My name is Suzie. I am Family Rights Group’s online adviser. I am sorry to hear that you are in a difficult family situation. You have already had some advice from a parent with experience of working with children’s services.

You and your partner disagree about following a working agreement recommended by children’s services. You are wondering what happens when one parent is refusing to work with the recommended agreement. We have a definition of a written agreement here. I am not sure if this is the same as the working together agreement you mention.

As you posted on the child protection and pre-proceedings thread then I think that you are in this process. If so, this means that professionals have very serious concerns for your daughter’s welfare. If there is a child protection plan in place there has already been a decision made that your daughter is at continued risk of suffering significant harm . Where there are pre-proceedings children’s services are thinking of going to court to apply for an interim care order which would allow them to make decisions for a child including where and with whom she should live. So, whatever the reason for these processes the situation is serious.

Neither you nor your partner think that the agreement is necessary. Children’s services view is that it is necessary to safeguard your child. As the lead agency responsible for protecting children, it is important for parents to understand why they want you to work with this agreement which I imagine is a temporary safety plan. And to try to work in partnership with children’s services in this way. You are cooperating. However, your partner is refusing to. If he has a good reason not to, he should discuss this urgently with the social worker and ask them to consider amending the agreement. Otherwise, children’s services and other professionals are likely to interpret this as him minimising the concerns, not putting his child first therefore increasing the risk to her. He should also seek legal advice.

You can ask children’s services to be clear with you about what action they will take if they become more worried about your daughter’s safety e.g. if both parents are not agreeing to or keeping you the agreement. If you are in pre-proceedings, you will both have solicitors so can check with them.

You may find it helpful to look at this FAQ which sets out the different ways in which children’s services may respond if they believe a child cannot be safely cared for at home. The most serious action would be to seek to remove a child from her home.

As you don’t say what the concerns are or what the agreement asks you both to do, I cannot offer any more specific advice. However, your partner’s refusal means that he will be seen as a higher risk to your daughter than if he cooperated. If so and if you continue to be in a relationship with him this may lead professionals to be concerned about your ability to prioritise your child over the relationship. This depends on the specific circumstances which you have not outlined.

You may find it useful to read the Why? part of our website as this explains more about the types of issues which parents may need more help with and which can negatively affect children.

I hope this helps. If you would like further advice please post back, or call the freephone advice line on 0808 8010366, Mon to Fri, 9.30 am to 3.00 pm or send an advice enquiry.

Best wishes

Suzie