"Pre-proceeding's meeting & Removal at birth"

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Re: "Pre-proceeding's meeting & Removal at birth"

Post by Suzie, FRG Adviser » Mon Jun 17, 2019 4:45 pm

Dear b2510x

Welcome to our Board and thank you for posting, I apologise for the delay in responding to your questions. In response to your posts...

On the subject of ‘the pool of perpetrators’ and having another child left in your care, yes it is possible that a person can previously ‘have been in the pool’, have another child and raise her/him. In such a case, they may be an ‘expectation’ that they will have ‘admitted’ that they were ‘responsible’ for the injury to their previous child. There is case law advising that because someone was in ‘the pool’ local authorities should not take it as a ‘given’ that any future child they have must be removed from their care. Here is a link to that case discussion:

On the subject of 24 hour supervision, it is unlikely that this could happen because it would be virtually impossible to monitor it and to prove that the individual (parent) is not being left alone with the child by the supervisor (even if the supervisor is of exemplary character) or that the child is not being left in the parent’s care, when for example, the supervisor is taking care of her or his personal needs.

On the subject of discharging Special Guardianship Orders (SGO) in some cases they can be discharged with a significant change of circumstances, I think from what you have written this may be difficult in your case. On the positive side you have regular contact with your daughter: on the less positive side, your daughter has been in your mother’s care for a good deal of time: there was a finding of fact that she was harmed by one or both of her parents: and more generally the difficulty of discharging Orders that are ‘intended’ to last until a child’s 18th birthday. We have an advice sheet entitled: Special Guardianship: what does it mean for birth parents?, you may find it helpful.

In a second posting you have said that your unborn baby is subject to a child protection plan and that Children’s Services have said that they may apply for a court order when your baby is born. You have said that a plan has been put forward for your mother to have your baby under an SGO as with your daughter but this is something that you do not want to happen and have outlined what your preferences are in relation to your baby. It is not unreasonable for you to suggest that your baby go to a family member, but it may be unlikely that a Child Arrangements Order will be the Order that is proposed long-term for the child. As yet however it has not been determined that you will fail any assessment and you have not yet had your time in court to present yourself to a judge. There is also the biological father of your unborn child to consider you have not mentioned him or said that he is ruled out: he may also have relatives who may be able to care for your child, what is and his position on the matter?

Generally as to what you can do to ensure that you are not a risk, it is difficult to say but you may want to highlight your stable home and work situation and the positive contact you have with your daughter. Research in Practice have produced some information about assessments, you can find it here here additionally many local authorities provide guidance to social workers on how best to undertake assessments of parents, do ask your local authority for any information they have on the subject.

One of our advisers would be happy to discuss your situation with you in confidence on our telephone advice service. The number is 0808 801 0366, we are open Monday to Friday from 9.30am to 3.00pm.

Best wishes


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