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Nana
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Re: sgo

Postby Nana » Tue Feb 08, 2011 6:00 am

thanks for adding that link Help....I wouldn't have had a clue how to do that [:)]

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Re: sgo

Postby maricharle » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:38 am

Thanks for adding the link Help and also Nana for bringing this to my attention. It certainly raises lots of questions as this was an area that neither the social worker or the guardian covered in depth with me or my family. Infact all I was asked was if someone would look after my grandson if anything happened to me. The question was also put to other family members who were present when SW and guardian visited. Nothing more was said on the subject and I certainly didn't think of raising any questions at the time.


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Re: sgo

Postby Nana » Tue Feb 08, 2011 11:31 am

they haven't thought that far ahead re SGO's, it hasn't happened so there is no test case so to speak! It's a scary concept though that the parents could potentially cause even more trouble which whoever we name has already witnessed and dealt with.

As in our case my daughter is named testementary Guardian she was very much part of the process we went through to gain the SGO although is not privy to court papers etc (and because of Data Protection, never will be)Which in itself does seem a little futile because if (god forbid) anything where to happen to me she would be the one dealing with all the the stuff that would need to be dealt with during which time she will more than likely come across the file I have....which beggers the question should I.... destroy/dispose of it?

Why can't some part of this journey of being Kinship carers be easy???

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Re: sgo

Postby maricharle » Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:37 pm

I wouldn't destroy the file. I remember a case which had nothing to do with SGO where a local authority had to compensate someone for loosing their file when they were in care.

Having had a psychologist report done which bore no resembelence to me as a person or what was actually said by me I let everyone in my family see it and spoke to them about everything else that I needed advice on evn if that meant them having to see things. It was no secret that I had as I told the SW, the guardian and even mentioned to the judge in court that my family didn't recognise who the so called psychologist had written about. I am not advocating everyone does as I did. I felt and still feel that these matters had and are today as much a part of my family as they are my grandson and I. Afterall social services and the guardian interviewed each of them and carried out police ckecks as well as asking if they would take over caring if anything happened to me. I also felt that as my grandson was with my brothers and nephews a lot at football matches they had to know what was going on to understand how to deal with the situation and anything arising from it.

I can understand the data protection act up to a point but the paternal grandmothers sister in my case had access to everything. She not only sat through every interview and discussion with her sister she was even allowed by the judge to sit in court although she had no part in the proceedings.

I know a lot of the information is sensitive but my grandson like all our children came to a family not me as an individual.

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Re: sgo

Postby Nana » Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:25 pm

I know where you are coming from Maricharle and to be honest my daughter as have the rest of the immediate family seen and read the majority of the paperwork/file i.e psyc assessments on us and the parents. It's human nature I think to share what is written about oneself and/or other members of the family with family. I think what I was trying to get across is the fact that because of Data Protection, should they have to go to Court at any time in the future it could be frowned upon that they do know more than they should and I think the birth parents would kick up a right stink if my daughter were to use that knowledge against them which in turn could present even more problematic for her as the testementary guardian....Destroying the file was intended as a hypothetical question...I would not destroy/dispose of it in anyway. It will be there for if/when my grandson wants to see it as is his right seeings as it is all about him and his life. If he wants to he can read why decisions and outcomes happened. It will be his choice when he is old enough..
Hopefully (as I intend) I will be around long enough to be there when or if that time comes..[:)]

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Re: sgo

Postby maricharle » Tue Feb 08, 2011 9:07 pm

If we beleive Nana that our children were placed with families not individuals I can't see the problem. As families we are expected to provide an environment where the children feel safe and secure and where they can feel comfortable enough to ask questions. How can anyone realistically expect them always to choose to speak to the individual(s) whose name is on the order. I can't honestly see how your daughter could have a problem in future by being able to help and support the little one who may very well choose her as a confident.

I was always told by social services and the guardian to tell my grandson the truth which I do when he asks questions (he's 10 now) but I know he goes and talks to his aunts uncles and cousins too. Secrets in families are not healthy the professionals and the courts know this. The Data protection Act can't stop children finding thngs out and speaking about them to whoever they choose to.

I just hope we are all around to see our children into adulthood.

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Re: sgo

Postby Help 1870 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:17 am


The good thing with keeping the file is it gives the facts. Not much chance of anyone trying to rewrite history and either minimise the situation or place the blame elsewhere.

My file is being kept safe, it will be needed one day when shes of an age to read it and understand it.

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Re: sgo

Postby Kate » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:15 pm

The good thing with keeping the file is it gives the facts. Not much chance of anyone trying to rewrite history and either minimise the situation or place the blame elsewhere.
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Good point. We have kept all the documentation we have, including the Core Assessment which is very long and makes sobering reading. It's not that I want my g/d to have to read it, but I think it will be her right to have access to everything when she's older.

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Re: sgo

Postby ied53 » Wed Feb 09, 2011 4:12 pm

We were told that the child/ren when they are 18 are legally entitled to their file to read if they want to. I think they wouls be more comfortable reading it with the people who have cared fro them close at hand to help them make sense of it. Our Eldest was told by her sibling that she had serious injuries and sehh asked about it. I just said yes and when your're ready to understand and want to know more I'll tell you. She is only 8 and I'm afraid the books are rather graffic so I'm hoping she will just let us talk about it but I have the enttire case file as we represented ourselves.


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Re: sgo

Postby mumof3now » Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:53 pm

Hi

i have kept all my nephews many court files/assessments etc and I have kept it for many the same reasons as most of you. No-one trying to rewrite history etc. But for me its a little more so. If he ever wanted to read the file SS had on him he would be very disappointed as they are not allowed to let you access any info about 3rd parties. I found this out during my assessments, as I am adopted and this process stirred up a lot of emotions for me (my nephew's circumstances are the same as mine and his father's (my adopted sibling)and I went onto read my file. I was in care for 5 years in the 70s and the file they let me view had a total of 5 pieces of paper. I that says my height/weight and shoe size at the age of 3, why the chuff they thought I wanted to know i will never know. The only good thing was 2 letters handwritten by my father and grandmother to SS fighting for me. It was different back then and their pleads fell on deaf ears. But at least I know that they tried their very best until 2 years ago I never knew this. It says very little about why I was taken into care other than the police removed me once on the wrong order so I had to go back to be removed later after suffering more neglect, doesn't say who caused the neglect, as they left that bit out. I would love to have read the real reports no matter how hard to deal with, as not knowing is even harder.

Thats why I have saved all my nephews and copies stored with a solicitor in case of fire/theft, he may not want to know but I know its there if he does, warts an all.

Sorry this was meant to be a little post and I have waffled once again

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