Viability assessment done

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Re: Viability assessment done

Postby wilsy » Wed Oct 31, 2012 2:00 pm

Thanks David again, I will certainly put something in writing about the financial support.

I did have a brief call from the SW just now to advise on the outcome of yesterdays hearing, basically the judge has told the mum she will not be getting the baby back. BUT he wants her to come up with a very good reason for the final hearing next week of why he should allow her to have her back. He is not at all impressed at the recent actions of the mum, also the hearing has been reduced from 2 days to just one.
The reports all went through to the judge last week, and since then there have been further issues with the mum, that i hear will be brought to the judges attention before the final hearing next week. These are some quite serious issues, and i believe when the judge hears them he certainly will not allow the child to go back to her mum.
The SW said to me that next week in court, the judge will make one of two decisions, 1) he may advise that as the child cannot go back to the mother she should be placed with us immediately (apparently this has happened in the past, not always but i could) 2)the SW will gain a care order and continue with the necessary arrangments to have the child placed with us, so again im not entierly sure how this will pan out, or what to expect from next week. We have been told to be on standby should the judge want to meet us, but we do not need to actually be in court.

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Re: Viability assessment done

Postby David Roth » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:53 am

Hi Wilsy

It sounds as though the case is becoming clearer, although you still don't have all the information you need.

The court does have two decisions to make. The first is whether the threshold criteria have been met, ie has it been proved that the baby has suffered or is at risk of suffering significant harm. If this has been proven, then the judge will decide that the baby can't go back to the parents who caused the harm or failed to protect the baby.

The second decision will be disposal, ie what order should the court make in order to safeguard the child's welfare and future. The two options would seem to be a care order, with plans to place with you, or a special guardianship order made out to you. So, the outcome looks like being the child is placed with you, the question is really under what legal order.

If the child is placed with you under a care order, then you would be foster carers for the child, but the expectation would probably be that you would apply for special guardianship at an early date. However, in the meantime you should receive full fostering support - the full fostering allowance, training, a support social worker for yourselves, etc. You would also have more chance to negotiate what support you would get as special guardians for the child.

If the court wants to dispose this week by making a SGO right away, you should make the point that you have not been assessed on your support needs, and ask for that assessment to be done before the order is made.

However it is done, there should be some time allowed for you to get your home ready for the arrival of a baby, with some financial support from the local authority where necessary to do this. There would probably also be a 'transition' period - a few days, maybe a week - where you would become intensely involved in the baby's life, taking over the caring role from the current foster carers, until the move could happen.

It is good news that it appears as though the outcome is going to be that the baby is placed with you, but you must make sure you get the support you need to do this.
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Re: Viability assessment done

Postby amanda39 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:02 pm

Hi there , I wondered if anyone could offer me advice?
Iv recently been contacted from my parents who live quite a distance away from me to inform me that socail services are involved in my nephew life at the mo! I have no contact with my nephew due to him being brought up by his gran on his dads side and the fact that I dont live anywhere near...I tried to arrange access to see him when he was younger but his gran refused hindsight I wish I pushed it...hes now 9 and by all account bot been looked after very well...
I contacted socail services to inform them that although I dint have a relationship with him if there's talk of him going into care then id be more than happy to step in. They told me he was on their books as a 'child in need' she couldn't go into details as his gran wouldn't give her consent to inform me but I got the impression things aren't great.
She asked if she could come and see us to do an assessment to have in case things Deteriorate....we live a good 4 hours distance away so I was quite shocked they were prepared to do that unless they think that this could be a real possibility!
Anyone know if this is routine? Or am I right in thinking that things could be pretty serious?
Any advice really appreciated!!!!!

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Re: Viability assessment done

Postby ied53 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:49 pm

Not necessarily serious but covering all bases. As you are a family member they would travel . If the child needed to be placed elsewhere that could prove an advantage. Child in need means support is needed and being offered. But as looking for potential other options does seem to be more than a bit of support needed. Kinship children come with issues and some manifest themselves later and can be hard to deal or cope with. You will just need to see how this pans out.
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Re: Viability assessment done

Postby Suzie, FRG Adviser » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:56 pm

Dear Amanda39,

Welcome to the Friends and Family Carers Forum.

Have a look at our advice sheet about kinship fostering assessments .
It is very detailed-explaining what is expected of foster carers and how you will be assessed. You might want to read this before the social worker visits you.

We also have some helpful FAQ's for relatives who might be taking on the care of a child

As Irene says, it would be useful to know why your nephew is considered to be a child in need . This could be due to his own health difficulties, due to trauma he suffered as a young child while still with his birth parents or due to something he is experiencing at home now.

Why is the placement with grandmother breaking down? What support has been needed to care for him and what will be offered to you as a carer?

I hope this helps but if you have any questions, please post back. You could also call our advice line on 0808 801 0366.

Best wishes,


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